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		<title>By: Essuman Bassaw</title>
		<link>http://blog.prosig.com/2003/07/29/notes-on-fourier-analysis/#comment-484</link>
		<dc:creator>Essuman Bassaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am instructor in KOFORIDUA POLYTECHNIC GHANA WILL LIKE YOU TO E-MAIL ME WITH PROJECT DESIGN ON THE AREAS OF APPLICATION ON DSP</description>
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		<title>By: eshetu admasu mengistu</title>
		<link>http://blog.prosig.com/2003/07/29/notes-on-fourier-analysis/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>eshetu admasu mengistu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi it is nice can u give me more on z fourier analysis ,i am working on DSP.with this email . sht_admsu@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi it is nice can u give me more on z fourier analysis ,i am working on DSP.with this email . <a href="mailto:sht_admsu@yahoo.com">sht_admsu@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://blog.prosig.com/2003/07/29/notes-on-fourier-analysis/#comment-268</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
 There are multiple reasons for a phase jump. First of course we ignore those phase jumps that occur when one plots phase on say a 0 to 360 degree plot (or -180 to 180 or similar) that are "wrapping" around.   Actually I often plot on the phase unwrap basis to get an overall idea.

The classical reason for a phase "jump" is that one is passing thpartrough a resonance in that frequency range. This should be accompanied by an increase in the amplitude.  If you have truncated your transient then the sharp stop will cause some phase changes as the Fourier transform has to fit this really rapid amplitude change. Such a change way be small in amplitude but could be quite significant in phase change.

Now the phase at each frequency is determined by the inverse tangent of the imaginary part of the Fourier component at that frequency divided by the corresponding real part. For reference the real front is the cosine coefficient and the imaginary part is the sine coefficient. If over some frequency region the real and imaginary parts are small and are fluctuating around zero then because we use their ratio in finding the phase  then clearly the phase will also fluctuate wildly.  Basically then if the amplitude, which is the square root of the sum of the real part squared and the imaginary part squared, is small then the phase is not reliable in a real system where we have 'noise' present.  In deed if it is only the real part that is small and is fluctuating do to noise, then one can have large phase changes.

It is away useful if in doubt to look at the real and imaginary parts. Also try looking at a vector plot of Real versus Imaginary as this can be most  instructive.

Colin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
 There are multiple reasons for a phase jump. First of course we ignore those phase jumps that occur when one plots phase on say a 0 to 360 degree plot (or -180 to 180 or similar) that are &#8220;wrapping&#8221; around.   Actually I often plot on the phase unwrap basis to get an overall idea.</p>
<p>The classical reason for a phase &#8220;jump&#8221; is that one is passing thpartrough a resonance in that frequency range. This should be accompanied by an increase in the amplitude.  If you have truncated your transient then the sharp stop will cause some phase changes as the Fourier transform has to fit this really rapid amplitude change. Such a change way be small in amplitude but could be quite significant in phase change.</p>
<p>Now the phase at each frequency is determined by the inverse tangent of the imaginary part of the Fourier component at that frequency divided by the corresponding real part. For reference the real front is the cosine coefficient and the imaginary part is the sine coefficient. If over some frequency region the real and imaginary parts are small and are fluctuating around zero then because we use their ratio in finding the phase  then clearly the phase will also fluctuate wildly.  Basically then if the amplitude, which is the square root of the sum of the real part squared and the imaginary part squared, is small then the phase is not reliable in a real system where we have &#8216;noise&#8217; present.  In deed if it is only the real part that is small and is fluctuating do to noise, then one can have large phase changes.</p>
<p>It is away useful if in doubt to look at the real and imaginary parts. Also try looking at a vector plot of Real versus Imaginary as this can be most  instructive.</p>
<p>Colin</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blog.prosig.com/2003/07/29/notes-on-fourier-analysis/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Mercer,

I'm curious about the significance of the frequency (or range thereof) which the phase jump occurs. I have transients (not sinusoidal) showing a lot of phase jumps and I am trying to interpret what these frequencies mean.

Thanks,
James.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Mercer,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about the significance of the frequency (or range thereof) which the phase jump occurs. I have transients (not sinusoidal) showing a lot of phase jumps and I am trying to interpret what these frequencies mean.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
James.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Mercer</title>
		<link>http://blog.prosig.com/2003/07/29/notes-on-fourier-analysis/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mehdi
the very last equation in 1-6 above article shows how the original signal may be reconstituted from  the Found coefficients. In a crude sense if the real and imaginary components at frequency f are ak and bk respectively then the modulus of the "equivalent" cosine wave at frequency f is sqrt(ak*ak + bk*bk). In a crude sense this is the "amplitude" at frequency f.

But beware with real life signals only use this as a simple model to aid understanding.

Colin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mehdi<br />
the very last equation in 1-6 above article shows how the original signal may be reconstituted from  the Found coefficients. In a crude sense if the real and imaginary components at frequency f are ak and bk respectively then the modulus of the &#8220;equivalent&#8221; cosine wave at frequency f is sqrt(ak*ak + bk*bk). In a crude sense this is the &#8220;amplitude&#8221; at frequency f.</p>
<p>But beware with real life signals only use this as a simple model to aid understanding.</p>
<p>Colin</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Mercer</title>
		<link>http://blog.prosig.com/2003/07/29/notes-on-fourier-analysis/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Benjamin
Where to begin? NVH is a wide subject in itself. One could be involved with a gearbox whine,  with a rattle somewhere, a shaft out of balance causing some vibration, a structural resonance or one of the large number of sound quality measures (loudness, sharpness, ...).  The basic common starting point however is that we nearly always consider these matters on a  frequency basis.  That is you need to be comfortable with the concept of transforming the time signal into the corresponding frequency signal by using a Fourier transform.   The actual mechanics of the Fourier transform are not intrinsically important in the understanding of NVH, but the limitations and assumptions are very important.  So I have just gathered together a few notes below about interpretation.
 
1. Frequency and time are inversely proportional.   Thus if we have a signal of length T seconds  then the raw frequency resolution is (1/T)Hz.

2. Fourier Transforms may be inverse transformed back from frequency to time.  This means that we have no extra information, way just have a different representation  which we may understand better.   It also means that if we have a time signal that has some random data in it then the Fourier Transformed signal also has some random element in the Fourier coefficients.  This usually means we have to average the Fourier transformed data, not directly but as a modulus squared.  This leads us to spectral densities and spectrum levels.

3.  The act of Fourier transforming a finite length of the time signal causes leakage of information into adjacent frequencies.   This brings us into the domain of data windows that are designed to minimise these  effects.   Whilst minimising the leakage of information from one frequency to others, using a data window means that the frequency resolution is made  larger.  If in doubt use a Hanning window.

4. Frequency resolution is not the same as Frequency separations (or steps). That  is we may form estimates of the Fourier coefficients at frequency steps of say  df Hz  but the frequency resolution may be dF Hz, where dF &#62; df .

5.  When we use a finite length of data and Fourier analyse it then each coefficient is an 'average' over the resolution dF. We may liken the Fourier transform to passing the time signal  through a series of narrow band filters each of width dF Hz but spaced  df Hz apart, that is the filters overlap each other. 

Hope these help, there is no magic bullet - just a lot of  work, time and effort trying to understand.

Colin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Benjamin<br />
Where to begin? NVH is a wide subject in itself. One could be involved with a gearbox whine,  with a rattle somewhere, a shaft out of balance causing some vibration, a structural resonance or one of the large number of sound quality measures (loudness, sharpness, &#8230;).  The basic common starting point however is that we nearly always consider these matters on a  frequency basis.  That is you need to be comfortable with the concept of transforming the time signal into the corresponding frequency signal by using a Fourier transform.   The actual mechanics of the Fourier transform are not intrinsically important in the understanding of NVH, but the limitations and assumptions are very important.  So I have just gathered together a few notes below about interpretation.</p>
<p>1. Frequency and time are inversely proportional.   Thus if we have a signal of length T seconds  then the raw frequency resolution is (1/T)Hz.</p>
<p>2. Fourier Transforms may be inverse transformed back from frequency to time.  This means that we have no extra information, way just have a different representation  which we may understand better.   It also means that if we have a time signal that has some random data in it then the Fourier Transformed signal also has some random element in the Fourier coefficients.  This usually means we have to average the Fourier transformed data, not directly but as a modulus squared.  This leads us to spectral densities and spectrum levels.</p>
<p>3.  The act of Fourier transforming a finite length of the time signal causes leakage of information into adjacent frequencies.   This brings us into the domain of data windows that are designed to minimise these  effects.   Whilst minimising the leakage of information from one frequency to others, using a data window means that the frequency resolution is made  larger.  If in doubt use a Hanning window.</p>
<p>4. Frequency resolution is not the same as Frequency separations (or steps). That  is we may form estimates of the Fourier coefficients at frequency steps of say  df Hz  but the frequency resolution may be dF Hz, where dF &gt; df .</p>
<p>5.  When we use a finite length of data and Fourier analyse it then each coefficient is an &#8216;average&#8217; over the resolution dF. We may liken the Fourier transform to passing the time signal  through a series of narrow band filters each of width dF Hz but spaced  df Hz apart, that is the filters overlap each other. </p>
<p>Hope these help, there is no magic bullet - just a lot of  work, time and effort trying to understand.</p>
<p>Colin</p>
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		<title>By: mehdi</title>
		<link>http://blog.prosig.com/2003/07/29/notes-on-fourier-analysis/#comment-133</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear sir;
how can earn orginal signal amplitude from fft cofficient.
would you send me some informaton about this relation.

best regard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear sir;<br />
how can earn orginal signal amplitude from fft cofficient.<br />
would you send me some informaton about this relation.</p>
<p>best regard</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Cao</title>
		<link>http://blog.prosig.com/2003/07/29/notes-on-fourier-analysis/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Dr Colin Mercer,
Thanks for your papers, they helped me a lot.
I'm a beginner in NVH area, and I am going to work mainly on vehicle NVH test.
I had some difficulties when reading your articles because of my lack of background knowledge.
Could you please send me some basic knowledge materials?
Thanks a lot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Dr Colin Mercer,<br />
Thanks for your papers, they helped me a lot.<br />
I&#8217;m a beginner in NVH area, and I am going to work mainly on vehicle NVH test.<br />
I had some difficulties when reading your articles because of my lack of background knowledge.<br />
Could you please send me some basic knowledge materials?<br />
Thanks a lot!</p>
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