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> <channel><title>Comments on: Data Windows : What, why and when?</title> <atom:link href="http://blog.prosig.com/2009/07/20/data-windows-what-why-and-when/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://blog.prosig.com/2009/07/20/data-windows-what-why-and-when/</link> <description>Telling you what you need to know about noise &#38; vibration</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:32:30 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Chris Mason</title><link>http://blog.prosig.com/2009/07/20/data-windows-what-why-and-when/comment-page-1/#comment-17387</link> <dc:creator>Chris Mason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:49:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.prosig.com/?p=219#comment-17387</guid> <description>SeanL, John&#039;s reply to your question can be found here - http://blog.prosig.com/2011/08/30/understanding-windowing-and-overlapping-analysis/ Thanks again for the question.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SeanL, John&#8217;s reply to your question can be found here &#8211; <a
href="http://blog.prosig.com/2011/08/30/understanding-windowing-and-overlapping-analysis/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.prosig.com/2011/08/30/understanding-windowing-and-overlapping-analysis/</a> Thanks again for the question.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Mason</title><link>http://blog.prosig.com/2009/07/20/data-windows-what-why-and-when/comment-page-1/#comment-17228</link> <dc:creator>Chris Mason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:09:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.prosig.com/?p=219#comment-17228</guid> <description>SeanL, thanks very much for your question. It got us thinking and John is writing a short article that will make it clearer. We should have the new article available in a week or two. I will post here when it&#039;s ready.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SeanL, thanks very much for your question. It got us thinking and John is writing a short article that will make it clearer. We should have the new article available in a week or two. I will post here when it&#8217;s ready.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SeanL</title><link>http://blog.prosig.com/2009/07/20/data-windows-what-why-and-when/comment-page-1/#comment-17006</link> <dc:creator>SeanL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:57:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.prosig.com/?p=219#comment-17006</guid> <description>Could you please put an example about overlapping technique?
Maybe with the same 10 or 9.5 Hz sinusoidal wave example so that we can see how overlapped window could make a difference in processed frequency spectrum.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you please put an example about overlapping technique?<br
/> Maybe with the same 10 or 9.5 Hz sinusoidal wave example so that we can see how overlapped window could make a difference in processed frequency spectrum.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John Mathey</title><link>http://blog.prosig.com/2009/07/20/data-windows-what-why-and-when/comment-page-1/#comment-600</link> <dc:creator>John Mathey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:23:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.prosig.com/?p=219#comment-600</guid> <description>Suwarnov, a very interesting and profound question.  Colin Mercer, our Chief Technical Officer has provided a response to your question.John Mathey
- - - - -When we measure a finite length of data then we will always have a data window, by default the rectangular window. In fact we call it a window as the section of the signal we measure is like looking at the world through a window;  we do not know what is happening outside the part we have measured (observed).   What we measure is represented mathematically as the product of the actual signal multiplied by  a rectangular window that is zero before and after our measurement and unity during the measurement time.When the measured time signal is converted to the frequency domain by a Fourier transform then we have not actually gained or lost any information  as the Fourier transform is totally reversible.   What we have done is represent the signal in a form that helps us understand it better.  The purpose of adding what is actually an extra window to the time domain is to suppress those features of the time domain rectangular window which makes interpretation in the frequency domain more difficult.When we evaluate the Fourier Transform of what is actually the real signal multiplied by the data window, then the original time domain window, that is the data window, becomes a spectral window (because in the frequency domain we talk about the spectrum of frequencies, or more usually the frequency spectrum).  So we are already looking at the frequency spectrum through a spectral window.  Mathematically the multiplication in the time domain becomes a convolution in the frequency domain between the actual spectrum and the spectral window.  In physical terms the spectral window is the frequency domain filter through which we see the underlying spectrum of the signal.  The shape and characteristics of the data window define the nature of the spectral window, or filter,  through which we see the frequency spectrum of the original signal.So the short answer to the question is &quot;yes&quot;, but regretfully we cannot  choose the characteristics of the data window and the spectral window independently.    There are dozens of different data windows with their corresponding spectral windows, the Hanning window is a good compromise.  All useful data windows give spectral windows that tend to be like ideal narrow band filters.   This leads to the concept of the Equivalent Noise Band Width (ENBW) measure as one criterion of a good window.  Other measures are leakage and bias but that is a tale for another day!   Incidentally the best data window measured solely by ENBW is the unavoidable rectangular window, it is the other factors which make it less useful.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suwarnov, a very interesting and profound question.  Colin Mercer, our Chief Technical Officer has provided a response to your question.</p><p>John Mathey<br
/> - &#8211; - &#8211; -</p><p>When we measure a finite length of data then we will always have a data window, by default the rectangular window. In fact we call it a window as the section of the signal we measure is like looking at the world through a window;  we do not know what is happening outside the part we have measured (observed).   What we measure is represented mathematically as the product of the actual signal multiplied by  a rectangular window that is zero before and after our measurement and unity during the measurement time.</p><p>When the measured time signal is converted to the frequency domain by a Fourier transform then we have not actually gained or lost any information  as the Fourier transform is totally reversible.   What we have done is represent the signal in a form that helps us understand it better.  The purpose of adding what is actually an extra window to the time domain is to suppress those features of the time domain rectangular window which makes interpretation in the frequency domain more difficult.</p><p>When we evaluate the Fourier Transform of what is actually the real signal multiplied by the data window, then the original time domain window, that is the data window, becomes a spectral window (because in the frequency domain we talk about the spectrum of frequencies, or more usually the frequency spectrum).  So we are already looking at the frequency spectrum through a spectral window.  Mathematically the multiplication in the time domain becomes a convolution in the frequency domain between the actual spectrum and the spectral window.  In physical terms the spectral window is the frequency domain filter through which we see the underlying spectrum of the signal.  The shape and characteristics of the data window define the nature of the spectral window, or filter,  through which we see the frequency spectrum of the original signal.</p><p>So the short answer to the question is &#8220;yes&#8221;, but regretfully we cannot  choose the characteristics of the data window and the spectral window independently.    There are dozens of different data windows with their corresponding spectral windows, the Hanning window is a good compromise.  All useful data windows give spectral windows that tend to be like ideal narrow band filters.   This leads to the concept of the Equivalent Noise Band Width (ENBW) measure as one criterion of a good window.  Other measures are leakage and bias but that is a tale for another day!   Incidentally the best data window measured solely by ENBW is the unavoidable rectangular window, it is the other factors which make it less useful.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Suwarnov</title><link>http://blog.prosig.com/2009/07/20/data-windows-what-why-and-when/comment-page-1/#comment-583</link> <dc:creator>Suwarnov</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:53:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.prosig.com/?p=219#comment-583</guid> <description>If windowing in time domain have purpose to get more accurate representation in frequency domain (depending on the characteristics of signal in time domain as mentioned in this article), so is there any purpose by windowing the spectrum or frequency domain?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If windowing in time domain have purpose to get more accurate representation in frequency domain (depending on the characteristics of signal in time domain as mentioned in this article), so is there any purpose by windowing the spectrum or frequency domain?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Mason</title><link>http://blog.prosig.com/2009/07/20/data-windows-what-why-and-when/comment-page-1/#comment-581</link> <dc:creator>Chris Mason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:25:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.prosig.com/?p=219#comment-581</guid> <description>A very good question, Terry. Something we should have expanded on on the article perhaps. We have a related article that will appear on the blog in the near future that deals with this in a bit more detail. But for now, ENBW stands for &quot;Equivalent Noise Bandwidth&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good question, Terry. Something we should have expanded on on the article perhaps. We have a related article that will appear on the blog in the near future that deals with this in a bit more detail. But for now, ENBW stands for &#8220;Equivalent Noise Bandwidth&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Terry Christensen</title><link>http://blog.prosig.com/2009/07/20/data-windows-what-why-and-when/comment-page-1/#comment-580</link> <dc:creator>Terry Christensen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:45:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.prosig.com/?p=219#comment-580</guid> <description>what does ENBW mean?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what does ENBW mean?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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